RM: Like a jazz musician, you have to master the technical side of playing your instrument – reading the Scriptures, so to speak. However, you can’t stay in the practice room for too long. Eventually, you have to apply your skills, play a gig or go to a jam session. Does that make sense?

EM: Absolutely, and I think you can take that one step further. To know how to build the flute is not to know how to play it.

Unfortunately, I think seminaries teach us how the drum is built, how to take it apart and rebuild it; but how to play it, how to hear it, how to learn meter and rhythm … that sometimes seems like a lost art.

In the modern world a great preacher was a person who could teach you the information of the Bible. Now people want to know, has that book taken you anywhere where you’ve met and experienced God? It’s different. It’s really sharing your life through the Scriptures that becomes a part of what people hunger for – and people do hunger for it.

An Interview with Erwin McManus (Relevant Magazine)